Do u Wish to Talk with Any One at the Other Side

[DaSoulRed]

Hope u are Okay
I wish you good times.

Here is a different subject at the general chat. GHOSTS

we are all smarts to talk about this, but some times is good to remember a o loved one family member a lost one, maybe if some one talkback about this issue all others will say he has a mental problem or stuff like that becouse the past is the past and we only got memorys off the persons in our past.

some times i wish this issue off the ghost wose real just becouse i will be happy to talk with a lost one.

i wish you take this like a good subject, share something go ahead.

enjoy life any how Greets from DaSoul D Mexican


http://www.knbc.com/slideshow/entertainment/14378935/detail.html

[RizlaUK]

my mother is convinced that my grandad still walks round the house at night, but in reality, the noises she hears is the wooden joist and floorboards subtracting as thay cool down in the nighttime when everyone is in bed, but the noises make her remember her dad, so maybe she knows but its her way of holding to the memory

personaly speaking, i dont beleave in fairy tales, but i do remember very fondly the ones i have lost, and thay will always be rememberd

god bless our lost ones and may they rest in peace

[Imagine Programming]

my mother is convinced that my grandad still walks round the house at night, but in reality, the noises she hears is the wooden joist and floorboards subtracting as thay cool down in the nighttime when everyone is in bed, but the noises make her remember her dad, so maybe she knows but its her way of holding to the memory

personaly speaking, i dont beleave in fairy tales, but i do remember very fondly the ones i have lost, and thay will always be rememberd

god bless our lost ones and may they rest in peace

I don't believe in that stuff either... what matters is that you love your loved ones and remember them:) that what matters, i agree with you Rizla:)

[alsh3lan33]

I believe that if some one in your Family Died Mybe he Come to you in your DREAMS and if you see him happy or sad that make you know if he rest in peace or not

maybe some times tell you to change some thing in your self or come to you when you DREAM and do some thing not good ;) and you see him that means that he tell you some thing that you know , i just believe in Jinn Because my god Made them .

i believe that when you Died and go to your Grave god will make his Angels asked you about everything that you did bad and good and after that you will know if you will go to the Paradise or not :huh


:)

[ScottDuncan]

I have done a study of ghosts, death and the "afterlife", etc.. Ghosts are individuals like you or i, that upon physical death tend to cling to the material realm.

They cling for many reasons. That cling state can last for any amount of time. Many who develop a strong spiritual base don't cling to the material, because they understand the deeper eternal nature of the spiritual realm, and reach deeper into it upon physical death.

I'm not a Christian Scientist, but they have an enlightening idea in the following quote,

"Death is the product of human belief of life in matter."


Ghosts are those who believe in "life in matter" stronger than the spiritual individual. In a sense, they become stuck in matter, due to a lack of understanding of something greater and eternal.


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[clueless]

I have done a study of ghosts, death and the "afterlife", etc.. Ghosts are individuals like you or i , that upon physical death tend to cling to the material realm.

- so where did you find these ghosts you studied then?

- did the ghosts tell you that this is whats going on or is it something you have watched?

- so are all ghost's Christians then? because not everyone believes in an afterlife.

- if spirits can linger rather than 'pass on' why does anyone go to He ll?

[clueless]

Don't get me wrong here, im all up for investigations into the paranormal :yes its one of my fav subjects its just that there is no evidence to support any of it being real. Its all based on 2nd or 3rd hand information from people who usually are not sure what they witnessed in the first place.There's so many people in the world deliberately misleading by claiming to be able to explain what other people saw and couldn't explain even though they didn't see it themselves that the chances of any of it being real are very small.

There have been many famous cases over the years which I considered to be very convincing at the time but unfortunately they have all turned out to be full on hoax's. I've seen so many badly composited pictures and video of fake ghost's and aliens just lately that ive began to lose interest with it.

Christian scientists dont you mean Christian theologians? Christians are anti-science.lol

[Imagine Programming]

- so where did you find these ghosts you studied then?

- did the ghosts tell you that this is whats going on or is it something you have watched?

- so are all ghost's Christians then? because not everyone believes in an afterlife.

- if spirits can linger rather than 'pass on' why does anyone go to He ll?

well until the day i actually see a ghost/spirit, i don't believe in it...
i've seen many studies and documentaries but they can't proof that ghosts exist... I have respect for all those researches and studies, but i don't believe in afterlife:) when i die, it's over:P

[clueless]

I think the main problem is that in the past when people haven't been able to explain something religion has always stepped forward to 'fill the gaps'. Because religion's main objective is to get everyone to believe in something amazing but they cant see or touch (ie. their god).The people in control have never missed the opportunity to declare any unexplainable phenomenon as proof of something spiritual. This is why I say Christians are anti-science because as time goes by and our measurements and observations of the physical world become more accurate the 'gap's' in what we can or cant prove become smaller and religions grip over the worlds population becomes weaker as we become wiser.

I get the feeling that 'Ghosts' and spirits have in the past been used to stop small children from straying from their homes . . especially at night time.Also the past quite a few sightings have been due to grave robbers, though this doesn't happen so much these days. I think holy men have used the idea of spirits to scare off would be grave robbers the world over.

I'm not saying there is absolutely nothing going on and all the sightings are fake / wrong. Its just that linking the whole phenomena to anything spiritual or even human based is counter productive to discovering the truth of the matter.

[ScottDuncan]

I found no ghosts. If there was a hangout for ghosts, I’m sure those ghost hunter guys on that tv show would be there. That show is a waste of time. Plus if we could see them so easily, we’d have snapshots. Ghosts are a very difficult study because of our sensing problems.


“its just that there is no evidence to support any of it being real. Its all based on 2nd or 3rd hand information from people who usually are not sure what they witnessed in the first place.”

There is evidence but it’s “from people who usually are not sure what they witnessed”. This obviously complicates the study. We aren’t handling the evidence correctly.

There are thousands of stories of sightings by people. From those sightings we know they can take on some type of physical image, but don’t always. We can say that maybe that a person could be lying about their story, but there are too many stories throughout history to negate the idea of a ghost based on liars. Plus, the ghost experiences of close friends, help validity for me. The friend is someone I trust not to lie to me. I’m still open to it all being false (skeptical is where I like to start), but I’ve seen evidence in synchronicity, theology, thanology and other aspects of parapsychology that line up with the concepts.

In the study of NDE (near-death experiences) the ghostly form is common knowledge, but in NDEs there isn’t much info on successful interaction with people on Earth. And in NDE studies, i've found very few that end up in the cling state. There’s are 1000’s of people who have experienced the NDE phenomena.

Most of my study was of others experiences and stories (i.e. Talking with witnesses, Books (used for studying in many fields)).

The Ouija board is an easy medium to reach spirits on the flipside but still close to Earth. The problem with the Ouija board, is that spirits that communicate through it are lower level and most of the time lost (I’ve learn this through other people’s studies and my own experiences which confirmed what other people found). We received lots of information through the board but it was mostly useless. Anybody who is lost isn’t necessarily a great resource for directions. So direct communication is weak.

I spent some time in known haunted houses but found nothing. We heard interesting sounds and other stuff, but that info is easy to blame on other things. I’m skeptical first, until I understand things better, but if no greater clarity comes from further analysis, a noise is trash.

I once saw a ghost when i was about 14. It didn't move from the corner it stood in. I didn't think to talk to him, i was 14 and scared. The ghost happened to be a type of individual who stood still as a profession. I don’t know what they are called, but it was one of those guys who stand next to the main doors of a castle (centuries ago). They have a large horn and I guess blow the horn when the king is coming or going. When I saw him he just stood there with his horn. I watched him for about 1-2 minutes (it wasn’t a quick glance).

There are countless stories of peoples experiences with ghosts, in most cultures. There is also an abundance of info to reference (non-fiction), plenty of study material.

For people who call themselves Christian, don’t forget that the Christ dealt with many unseen spirits while on Earth. He also came back in an apparent physical form. So the ability for the dead to take on material form or interact with the Earth realm, is a basic Christian belief.


“so are all ghost's Christians then? because not everyone believes in an afterlife.”

Many more than just Christians believe in some form of afterlife. Actually if you took a poll, I’d be willing to guess most people believe in some sort of an afterlife. To think that whatever you believe in, will be true through the power of belief, I find hard to believe. We can’t through “belief will power” shape spiritual truth. It is what it is.


“if spirits can linger rather than 'pass on' why does anyone go to Hell”

From all my studies of life, god, theology, NDE, etc… I have come to accept the idea that **** is nothing like the classical teachings through the ages. We create our own Heaven or **** based on who we are. But don’t get this criss-crossed with the idea above,

“To think that whatever you believe in, will be true through the power of belief, I find hard to believe. We can’t through “belief will power” shape spiritual truth.”

We shape our existence through who we want to be. When we die, we go to a place where people treat you the way you treat people, in other words, we go to where we fit in. That could be a pleasant place or not so pleasant. We don’t create that place, we fit in there. If you’re the type hurts people, you go to a place like that. And I believe that it’s not a punishment, it’s more like heavy karma to help shape us and move us forward. If this idea were true, you can imagine ****** isn’t in a pleasant place. The after-life isn’t so hard left and hard right, there are all the in-betweens too. Kinda like if you rate people on a good/bad scale, everybody doesn’t fall so perfectly on one side or the other.

“dont you mean Christian theologians? Christians are anti-science.lol”

No, there is a religion called Christian Scientists,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

I consider myself a student of Christ (Christian), along with every other type of knowledge (Buddhism, Hindu, etc..). I’m open to all types of information. I firmly believe that evolution, spirituality and God, co-exist perfectly.

Scott

[ScottDuncan]

Wow, indigorose censored he ll.


Scott

[ScottDuncan]

Oh, i just realized indigorose censored the name "Hit ler", WhatThe?

"you can imagine ****** isn’t in a pleasant place"

[Imagine Programming]

yeah but also the word h.e.l.l, wich i wonder why cos it's not a nasty/bad word right?

[clueless]

Lol I seriously didn't think I could touch on this subject without the thread turning into a total punch up. Nice one :yes

Yes i totally agree there are millions of reports of ghosts in all cultures so it is absolutley certain that there is something unexplained going on.

Evidence - Just what is evidence? Photo's and videos are not evidence, 2nd or first hand accounts are not evidence either. Evidence is something that can be replicated elsewhere. Someone might witness something strange that they cant explain during Ouija board session but unless i can get the same result doing the same things then whatever happened is still unexplained no matter how compelling the story is that some eventually 'tells' everyone else.

Im intrested when you saw your ghost how did you know it was a ghost?

Looking at the explanations you have put forward there is clearly 1 thing that links every single case and thats..humans telling other humans how to interprete what they don't understand. The point im making is that what you saw may or may not have been real but you have only decided it is a ghost because of something you have been told or something you have read. Even the bible, Koran, book of the dead and the teachings of buddah are all just stories written by men, yet they call it the word of god. Apparently god did leave instructions to live / proof of existence to the whole world .. the only problem is he only told 1 guy who was on his own at the top of a mountain and he apparently destroyed it before anyone else saw it... :rolleyes

(yeah i had the same problem with the word he|| .lol)

[ScottDuncan]

i hope "total punch up" isn't anything negative, i mean no offense or anything like that. That must be a UK phrase or something. I find this type of conversation interesting and rare. I've been actively exploring these concepts for years.


What is evidence? According to your definition of evidence, lightning isn't necessarily real or proven. I've never seen a scientist recreate bolts of electricity shooting from the sky. Many people have experienced it in one way or another. Scientists can explain how it happens, but only after many scientists throughout history studied it. I don't think the inability to recreate something necessarily stopped scientists from studying something, and eventually making sense out of it. I do agree ghosts are a very difficult topic to prove and study (whatever that may mean).

I think i feel the same way as you, when it comes to something like Bigfoot. Bigfoot has very few sightings. I'm open to it, but there is so little evidence or stories. When i say evidence, i accept people's experiences as evidence, but obviously for many reasons it is very muddy evidence, usually not handled well. There are some well documented ghost cases.


"Im intrested when you saw your ghost how did you know it was a ghost?"

Kinda like when i saw a dog, humans taught me when it walks on 4 legs, wags a tail, and barks, it's called a dog. My earliest understanding of what a ghost is, is something, usually human, that was once alive but physically died, and now is being spotted in this realm again, and can be in a form that can be invisible to solid. And as society tends to misunderstand things, i guess a ghost is scary. It was scary when i was a solidly conditioned 14 year-old.


"but you have only decided it is a ghost because of something you have been told or something you have read"

After many years of experiences and study of ghosts, i believe i can make a much less conditioned assessment of what i saw. You haven't recognized the fact that although we can live many years in a conditioned shell, we also have the ability to grow, mature and develop an individual consciousness that can possibly assess something with previous conditions stripped away. Don't you believe that at 40 i could possibly think for myself, at least much better than at 14? Aren't my opinions of the memory, better educated and less conditioned 26 years later? Especially with the fact that i've actually researched through all the material i could find on the topic?


On a side note, I'm totally open to the whole Jesus/God/Koran/Bible, etc stories to be completely fiction. I know better via experience, but let's say it's all fiction. I believe the philosophies of the great fictional prophets gave us ideas to live by, that are greater than any other methods i've seen or read about. Communism, Dictatorships, and Democracy are all failing. If i spend my life trying to emulate the great fictitious prophet's ideas, won't i contribute more to this world than the selfish ways of others. I'm not saying that non-religious folk are all selfish, but my experiences with both types seems to prove this point (at least to me). If you read into religions, selflessness and concern for fellow man is a common teaching, something people within those religions are striving to become. Not saying they all do it, but that's commonly the ideal.

The different holy books are also historical. Ya, we can't recreate all the stories in them, but that's true of many history books. Many prophets are documented as existing in other parts of history.

I was atheist till i was 20. Ever since i developed a wider consciousness and recognized that the spiritual realm is all around us, i've been amazed how God (or whatever you want to call the "Spiritual Nature"), has shown me how all these pieces of the puzzle of life, fit together. I haven't got all the pieces, and haven't even finished putting them together, but amazingly many pieces have gone together, even when humans want to convince me that they don't fit together (i.e. what i said earlier, "I firmly believe that evolution, spirituality and God, co-exist perfectly.")

How many Christians would disagree with what i said about God and Evolution. They're the condition ones. I've come to this conclusion through study and experience, without any kind of childhood conditioning within a religion. I think it's rather comical that a Christian could deny Evolution. If i workout, 6 months later my body will show signs that it evolved to deal with the weight. We have tailbones (hmmm). I think the existence of evolution is obvious.


You said,
"Christians are anti-science.lol"

I agree Christians are commonly anti-science (i do believe in conditioning), but i don't concern myself too much with what Christians think, i'm more interested in what Christ said. I found no where is the Christ's ideas that evolution wasn't real. I learned early on in my research, not to judge religious ideals/philosophy by the people who practice the religion. They're great for some basic ideas, but i can rarely find someone almost-perfectly living or understanding the ideals of the religion. I try to go to the source as best as possible, to understand the ideals of the particular religion. Then i judge those ideals myself, to determine what really is true, what really reflects life, and which really is a great ideal.


indigorose might not like us carrying on this conversation for too long. These types of conversation can go on for a long time or get lengthy. I'm really enjoying our chat. I hope i can help you understand something, but i selfishly would love to pick up some lessons from you. I'm a firm believer the in every person there are lessons to learn and lessons to give. Sometimes it's lopsided but i'm always looking to learn something.

Your interest in this topic seems very genuine. If you're interested, i have a private chatroom that i've never used (i was experimenting with the script), or we could chat through email (you can initiate that at sendtox.com)


But as long as we can converse here, i'm game.

Scott

[ScottDuncan]

Wow, check it out, the very next day in the news,

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/14/bigfoot.body/index.html?iref=mpstoryview



Scott